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Rebecca Solnit (BSS #312)

Rebecca Solnit (BSS #312)

from The Bat Segundo Show on November 20, 2009
Duration: 3963
Rebecca Solnit is most recently the author of A Paradise Built in Hell. Condition of Mr. Segundo: Finding hostility within legitimate clarification. Author: Rebecca Solnit Subjects Discussed: William James s second treatise on pragmatism, the alternative notion which means the same as a preexisting notion, General Funston s martial response to the 1906 earthquake vs. Pauline Jacobson s push for camaraderie, beliefs conditioned by response, the psychological reset position, assumptions about human nature, innate helpfulness, responses to the Blitz bombings, the minority option of panic, Enrico Quarantelli s disaster research in the early 1950s, Caron Chess and Lee Clarke s elite panic, Kropotkin, the question of community s compatibility with institutional authority, the LAPD officer who was courteous to protesters, good cops vs. anarchy, how Argentina s government affects the manner in which people come together, the 2001 Argentina economic meltdown, the failure of Starbucks workers to give ambulance workers free water on 9/11, Martin Luther King s notion of beloved community, John Guilfoy, the joy of disaster, resorting to Hobbesian metaphors, Henry James writing to his brother in San Francisco in distress, the looting question in Katrina, Timothy Garton Ash s response to 9/11, assumptions that journalists make in relation to disaster, quibbling with Naomi Klein s The Shock Doctrine, acknowledging contemporary suffering, the Republic Windows strike, mutual aid, the slippery nature of the definition of civil society, taking control of the vernacular, work with TomDispatch.com, alternative media, a new language of emotion and not being connected, capitalism s regulation of society, Dorothy Day s notion of not being able to admit how people have failed us, becoming a writer, value-added theory and programemd human response, and the Donnell Harrington/Dan Baum controversy. INTRODUCTION: On April 13, 2008, Rebecca Solnit published an essay on TomDispatch.com called “Men Who Explain Things To Me,” in which she rightly complained about “the presumption that makes it hard, at times, for any woman in the field from speaking up and from being heard when they dare; that crushes young women into silence by indicating, the way harassment on the street does, that this is not their world.” In a September 2009 interview with The Believer, Solnit expanded on these thoughts, stating to Benjamin Cohen that she despised “the more face-to-face stuff when I get squelched, dismissed, insulted, and presumed ignorant by silly men in passing.” I was aware of all this before I talked with Rebeca Solnit and I set out to respect this temperament. Solnit remains an interesting and an original thinker. And The Bat Segundo Show has always been about embracing people who are misinterpreted or misunderstood. permitting them to clarify their positions in a challenging and admittedly idiosyncratic manner. But my basic approach of civil disagreement, applied even to viewpoints I agree with for any doubting Thomas piped into the podcast, occasionally gets me into trouble. I was also aware of Solnit s dispute with Dan Baum, in which Baum, reviewing Solnit s book in the Washington Post, quibbled with the “evidence” that Solnit produced in relation to New Orleans shootings in the Algiers neighborhood just after Katrina. Indeed, in asking Dan Baum to clarify his thoughts, he proved obdurate in his viewpoint and proceeded to block me on Twitter. Additional investigation, revealing the full extent of the Algiers evidence, is available at the Nation site and a link to A.C. Thompson s article has been provided on the Bat Segundo website. But during our conversation, near the end, I hoped to get Solnit to clarify the nature of this evidence on the record and she proved just as uncooperative as Dan Baum. I asked Solnit a perfectly reasonable question concerning why she could accept Donnell Herrington s account on its own, without legitimizing his claim further with supportive evidence. Here are a few reasons why evidence beyond oral testimony is so important. In 1987, Tawana Brawley accused six white men of raping her. It was later revealed that Brawley created the appearance of a sexual assault. Brawley managed to dupe all manner of well-meaning people with her unfounded assertions. In 1989, a man named Charles Stuart claimed that an African-American gunman with a raspy voice robbed him and killed his pregnant wife, Carol. He had injuries (or evidence, by Solnit s definition). Subsequent testimony revealed that he had orchestrated the entire incident. There was no African-American gunman. Stuart had preyed on racist sentiments. In 1994, Susan Smith claimed that an African-American had carjacked her with her sons in the car. As we all know, she was the one who had staged the entire incident after she had killed her own children. I will leave the listener to judge whether my questioning predicated upon these considerations was right or wrong. For what it s worth, I do not believe that Solnit is entirely ignorant. Her books have demonstrated that she is an accomplished thinker. And despite some minor caveats, I can wholeheartedly recommend the book which forms the center of this conversation. But it is wrong for Solnit to confuse clarification with dismissal of her viewpiont. It is also wrong for any person who purports or aspires to be an intellectual, whether Dan Baum or Rebecca Solnit, to insist that any view is above inquiry or examination. EXCERPT FROM SHOW: Correspondent: One of the parties involved in this particular dispute Solnit: (looks at her watch) Correspondent: This will be my last question. Don t worry. One of the parties in this particular dispute actually blocked me on Twitter. And that is your online skirmish with Dan Baum. He blocked me when I was trying to actually ask him about this. I am curious. I want to just clarify this thing because there was considerable controversy over your use of the word evidence. You said, I had the evidence. Solnit: Well Correspondent: Basically, when you wrote, There are plenty of rumors, but the evidence was there. Then you said, I had the evidence. Now I think the confusion of this whole needless pedantic skirmish had to do with the fact that you were about to describe what Solnit: Hang on just a second. [Solnit interrupts and answers a phone call. Not recorded to protect privacy.] Correspondent: Alright. Just to be Solnit: You know, in the short thing, I say that people go to jail on sketchier evidence that has been produced in a lot of ways. Correspondent: But what specifically was the evidence? Was it the AC Thompson findings at the time? The FBI investigation? I mean, at least according to what was in the book. Solnit: Well, the FBI investigation hasn t led to any conclusions. Correspondent: Yeah. Solnit: But evidence to send people to jail depends on specific individuals being tied to specific crimes, but we have a lot of witnesses to attempted murders, to bodies with bullets in them, in the area, and a lot of witnesses to men boasting of killings, etcetera. You know, there s a lot of pieces. And there s too many pieces to not believe that something happened and to not be pretty clear that what happened was that these vigilantes, you know. And these heavily armed vigilantes threatened, shot at, injured, and most likely killed black men in the immediate aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. Correspondent: So the testimony of Donnell Her . Solnit: You know what? I m not going to get into this. I m not here to talk about a letter. I m here to talk about the book. Correspondent: Well, I m trying to just clarify specifically what the evidence was. Was it Donnell Herrington s testimony to you and AC Thompson when you were sitting at the table? Was it Solnit: It was a huge it was a great many people who are not connected to each other coming forward with the same story. It was the medics and the common ground clinic telling me that they had many people confess to them in the immediate aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, that they had witnessed or participated in murders of this type. It was the videotape evidence of the Danish videographer s videotape. It was Donnell Herrington s testimony. It was, you know, other pieces of evidence about the vigilantes, including positive news stories about how they defended their neighborhood. It was Malik Rahim telling me and various other people, including Amy Goodman, at great length about what he had experienced in terms of threats and harassment and an expectation of a race war in his neighborhood, and bodies lying in the streets, including the body that he showed Amy Goodman and the Danish videographer on camera. It was the subsequent evidence that served us from the Pennsylvania detectives who went down who said that they found multiple bodies lying in the streets of Algiers with gunshot wounds and that they themselves heard many confessions and their videotape of yet another vigilante since deported, admitting, boasting of many killings. You know, there s a huge amount of evidence. And the word evidence doesn t mean that it s conclusive. Correspondent: Okay. Solnit: But there s an overwhelming amount of evidence that all points to exactly the same thing. And Donnell Herrington you know, I trust him a lot more than I trust you, for example. And he s you know, his story checks out in every way. The doctors who treated him talk about other people coming with bullet, with gunshot wounds. And, you know, there s a huge pattern that all points to the same thing. Correspondent: But in relation to the people that Herrington saved on the boat, did you talk to those people who he saved? To have some independent confirmation of his story or anything along those lines? Or Solnit: (pause) Correspondent: Did AC or anybody else? Just to verify his story against other accounts and the like? Solnit: You know, many say you know, that wasn t part of the story that we needed to check out. And, you know, I didn t verify a lot of other people s stories that they rescued people, that they did this, that they did that either. Because, you know, this isn t a legal trial. And Donnell s story checked out in every way that it needed to check out. Correspondent: So basically, for you, evidence means what they told you on the Solnit: You know Correspondent: I m just trying to determine what you meant by evidence. Just to figure out. I mean, I happen to agree that videotapes, photographs, and statements are evidence. I m just trying to determine if there were other additional third party ways of verifying the primary evidence. That way, you have a really all-encompassing like a ballistics report of the shots that were fired as well. That s what I m . Solnit: You mean, on Donnell s. Correspondent: Yeah, exactly. Solnit: Well, the shotgun wounds, the medical. Correspondent: Medical reports. Solnit: The medical reports check out. The doctor checks out. Everything else Donnell said checked out. We spent a great deal of time with him. And then part of the complication is that the coroner perjured himself in the trial, you know, in the fight to get the medical records in court. A lot of those records are missing. The New Orleans Police Department is incredibly corrupt and incompetent. They chose not to investigate the case when Donnell basically came up and said, Somebody tried to murder me and I want you to look into it. They have yet to open a case. So the legal until the FBI stepped up, the legal system had completely ignored this. So the kind of legal testimony that s often demanded doesn t exist because the legal system, you know, is not, has not, in New Orleans and Louisiana has not been interested. Correspondent: But how can you be sure that everything that Herrington said to you is absolutely 100% true? I mean, memory, as we all know, is the worst liar of them all. Even if he had most of the details right, he may have general details . Solnit: Well, what are you calling into question? That somebody shot him twice with a shotgun at point blank range? Correspondent: Well, that s pretty clear based off of what we see. Solnit: Well, there were two other men with him who corroborated what he had to say. AC Thompson talked to both of them. There s the doctor who saw him when he came in. And then you have to you know, and this is how . Absolute verifiable truth, you know, is a metaphysical question. Courtrooms get into it in some ways. But, you know, this is not a criminal trial. Everything checked out. Everything made sense. We spent a great deal of time with him. I don t know why you re calling him into question to begin with, but Correspondent: I m a natural skeptic, that s all. Solnit: Why would somebody come up with how else would somebody in those circumstances get shot? Uh, you know, it s very clear he got shot twice with it. You know, this is totally fucked up and I can t believe you re doing this shit. I think it s really obnoxious. It s really off point and really kind of lame. And if you want, there s a huge preponderance of evidence. It s been checked out. It s been checked out by CNN. It s been checked out by The Nation Magazine. ProPublica, etcetera. You know, I m not here. You didn t ask me to bring a huge amount of documentation. I didn t bring a huge amount of documen . [Tape runs out]
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GRITtv: The Secret Global Empire(s): Russ Baker & John Perkins

GRITtv: The Secret Global Empire(s): Russ Baker & John Perkins

from recent posts tagged clinton - blip.tv (beta) on November 11, 2009
Duration: 1365
U.S. history has seen many presidents elected on a wave of progressive promises, only to see them compromise again and again once in office, caving to the very interests, military and corporate, that they railed against so effectively. Barack Obama is only the latest to get elected on a promise to end a war and take care of working people, only to preside over an administration stacked with Wall Street types and wind up continuing a war he wanted to wind down. Americans voted for change and are getting frustrated with the lack of it, but our guests have both written about the powerful forces holding the status quo in place. John Perkins is the author of Hoodwinked and Confessions of an Economic Hit Man , and has written about how corporations push politicians around and even threaten them with violence. Russ Baker, meanwhile, is the author of Family of Secrets: The Bush Dynasty, the Powerful Forces That Put It in the White House, and What Their Influence Means for America and has written extensively about the military-industrial complex. They argue the only weapon we have is public opinion and public pressure--and we need to bring it to bear not just on the government, but on the corporations.
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Naomi Klien-the Shock Doctrine From New Orleans to Cali

Naomi Klien-the Shock Doctrine From New Orleans to Cali

from Breakdown FM w/ Davey D on October 28, 2009
Duration: 0
Naomi Klein author of the book Shock Doctrine came to UC Berkeley and spoke to an overflow crowd of 1200 people. 500 were turned away. Her message was on point and sobering as she laid out all the steps and triggers that have led up to the current economic tailspin many of us are feeling. She connected went into detail about the Shock Doctrine and how certain tyrannical leaders look for or manfacture crises and emergencies with the goal of pushing through facist type agendas.. She laid out how this took place in new orleans and how it is currently manifesting itself here in california through Governor Arnold Scwatrznegger and his plan to raise UC fees by a whooping 32% This is amust listen to interview.. Sit back and take notes.. Cause Ms Klein pulls no punches.. We are going to post the Q&A sometime tomorrow.
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Naomi Klein

Naomi Klein

from - blip.tv (beta) on July 28, 2009
Duration: 1283
Naomi Klein delivered this lecture at "Towards a Vision of Sexual and Economic Justice." The event featured lectures by Josephine Ho and Naomi Klein, and was held on November 29, 2007 at Barnard College in New York City. This video was created by the Barnard Center for Research on Women (www.barnard.edu/bcrw) and is featured in issue 7.3 of our webjournal, S&F Online (www.barnard.edu/sfonline).
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GRITtv: Naomi Klein Speaks our on Boycott, Sanctions and Divestment

GRITtv: Naomi Klein Speaks our on Boycott, Sanctions and Divestment

from recent posts tagged grit - blip.tv (beta) on July 01, 2009
Duration: 282
Naomi Klein, author of such bestsellers as NO LOGO and the Shock Doctrine, is no stranger to calling it like it is. She is now bringing a message from the occupied West Bank village of Bilin: as boycotts helped end the apartheid state of South Africa, boycotts need to be applied to the state of Israel. Take a look -- and tell us what you think, at GRITtv.org.
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A Discussion On Economic Power With Joseph Stiglitz, Hernando De Soto and Naomi Klein

A Discussion On Economic Power With Joseph Stiglitz, Hernando De Soto and Naomi Klein

from FORA.tv Economy on October 19, 2008
Duration: 3597
What is America's role in the global economy? How are financial markets best defended from economic shock? Do free markets lead to peace? Journalist Naomi Klein speaks with economists Joseph Stiglitz and Hernando de Soto on these and other topics.
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GRITtv - August 4, 2008

GRITtv - August 4, 2008

from buddy7 on August 04, 2008
Duration: 3481
Barack Obama has made few friends on the left since Hillary Clinton bowed out of the Democratic Primary in June. In the current issue of the Nation magazine an open letter to Obama urges him not to abandon his base and notes that since his victory, there have been troubling sings that you are moving away from the core commitments shared by many who have supported your campaign, toward a more cautious and centrist stance. Some have argued that he has always been a centrist. Others argue that at heart he s a progressive.On Friday, Obama told the Palm Beach Post that he would be open to offshore drilling in certain parts of the country. Like his unwillingness to follow through on FISA legislation and stand up to telecom companies, it has many on the left feeling uncomfortable. Today on GRITtv Richard Kim, Associate Editor of the Nation, Jonathan Tasini, Executive Director of the Labor Research Association, and Jon Kaiman, Obama delegate and member of the NY Democratic Committee discuss the open letter and whether progressives are too hasty in their criticism of Obama. Should the progressive community be putting more pressure on Obama or are they imperiling his chances of defeating John McCain in November? Also an interview with Namoi Klein, author of The Shock Doctrine. She discusses how private companies are using disasters--from the war in Iraq to wildfires in California--to make millions.And the American News Project delivers a report on how the super rich avoid paying taxes through their use of offshore tax havens. They pay significantly less than the average American and congress is only beginning to take action. An estimated $100 billion in taxes is hidden from the IRS each year. As the housing crisis worsens and more and more Americans default on their loans, the richest Americans continue to get richer.Finally day 14 of Chris Hume s Red State Road Trip. He travels to Kentucky and Mississippi to ask residents what they think of Barack Obama. The age of information has quickly become one of misinformation and the myth that Obama s a Muslim has taken hold in the heartland. All that and more on GRITtv.
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